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alebsack
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:21 am    Post subject: Brochures & Landscape orientation Reply with quote

Hey guys,

I have a problem trying to print in a brochure format. My Page format is set to regular Portrait as the online help in OOo 2.0 tells me. When I go to print, the properties of my printer don't show an orientation setting! I need this so that I can print the pages side by side on one sheet. I've seen posts online that show this option there, but it doesn't seem to be on my installation (1.9.125, SuSE 9.3). Is this a known bug, or is there something I need to enable to get this option?

I'm using a CUPS server for printing, to a Laserjet 4 (this option actually doesn't show up for ANY printer).

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Instead of Properties, try print Options (lower left hand corner). They're both in the Print Dialog.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's no orientation option in there, either.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi alebsack,

Perhaps this will help:
http://www.8daysaweek.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=19
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orientation is in Page->Format.

Brochure is in File->Print->Options.

The dialog File->Print->Properties varies between printers and operating systems. It varies the most on Windows, but it also varies some on Linux/CUPS. The Printer Properties dialog is not a good place to adjust orientation: instead use Page->Format.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

right, I understand that if you want the page to be landscape, you should do it under Format -> Page. However, I don't want the aspect ratio of the pages on the brochure to be landscape. I want them to be portrait.

The problem is that when I do Brochure printing, it prints out the two pages side by side, but on the paper it comes out as portrait as well... so I have two portrait pages next to each other, and the bottom half of the page is empty. I want to flip these two portait pages to be landscape on the paper to they fill the whole piece of paper... If you look at the online help in OOo, it tells you that you need to adjust the orientation in the Printer Properties to do this, not under Format -> Page.

I'm just missing the orientation section of the Printer Properties page.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alebsack wrote:
If you look at the online help in OOo, it tells you that you need to adjust the orientation in the Printer Properties to do this, not under Format -> Page.


I couldn't find it. Do you mind copying and pasting it?

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I'm just missing the orientation section of the Printer Properties page.


That's a printer driver issue. As a guess, maybe you can setup your printer with Foomatic and that will help? I use Fedora Core 4, and I notice that printers setup with Fedora's printer setup utility are foomatic, but printers added via CUPS are not.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can print 2 portrait pages correctly on a landscape page but I don't know how to combine with brochure printing. Anyway here's what you do.
File > Page Preview. Click the icon with a hand (Print options page view), set Rows to 1, Columns to 2, adjust the margins, put the bullet in Landscape, OK out and click the Print icon next to the one with the hand.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am having exactly the same problem as the original poster. When I upgraded last night to 1.9.129 all of a sudden the orientation option was gone in the print settings. For the work I do, I *need* a fix for this. I was successful printing brochures with 1.1.3 following the instructions in the help documentation. I will have to revert back to that version if I can't get this going. I'm not an expert, but I'm not convinced this is a printer driver problem as it seems I'm using the same driver I used before. If brochure printing is broken, this is a major bug. Is *anyone* having success printing brochure-style docs in 2.0?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dschaller wrote:
I am having exactly the same problem as the original poster. When I upgraded last night to 1.9.129 all of a sudden the orientation option was gone in the print settings. For the work I do, I *need* a fix for this. I was successful printing brochures with 1.1.3 following the instructions in the help documentation. I will have to revert back to that version if I can't get this going. I'm not an expert, but I'm not convinced this is a printer driver problem as it seems I'm using the same driver I used before. If brochure printing is broken, this is a major bug. Is *anyone* having success printing brochure-style docs in 2.0?


Yes I have.

FWIW I am using an HPLJ5 printer and this is under Windows98 (although I have donne exactly the same in Debian with 1.1.4). In the print dialog (File->Print) I clicked the options button and checked the "brochure" option. I then selected the orientation by clicking the properties button and selecting Landscape.

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P.S. Don't forget that 1.9 is a beta and thus is not expected to work perfectly. For production work I would go back to 1.1.x and only use 1.9.x as a test.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crimperman wrote:
P.S. Don't forget that 1.9 is a beta and thus is not expected to work perfectly. For production work I would go back to 1.1.x and only use 1.9.x as a test.


Good point. I went back to 1.1.5 and the landscape dialog re-appeared as expected. I can also print brochure style again. Perhaps it's a bug in Ubuntu's 1.9.129.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dschaller wrote:
crimperman wrote:
P.S. Don't forget that 1.9 is a beta and thus is not expected to work perfectly. For production work I would go back to 1.1.x and only use 1.9.x as a test.


Good point. I went back to 1.1.5 and the landscape dialog re-appeared as expected. I can also print brochure style again. Perhaps it's a bug in Ubuntu's 1.9.129.


I'm not so sure. I installed 1.9.125 on Debian and I get the same problem. I can't see how this is a driver issue as OpenOffice 1.1.5 on the same machine ( using the same printer/cups server) gives me the orientation option in the properties dialog.

I think it's either a bug or a "feature" of 1.9.x - as 2.0 has just been released we'll have to wait and see. I'll wait for the Debian package before I try I think.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 5:01 pm    Post subject: Unable to select orientation as per help documentation Reply with quote

In previous versions (as recent as 1.9.104), if I wanted to print a booklet which would be printed front and back, 8.5 x 5.5 on letter paper, I simply had to prepare each page as a full-size 11x8.5 paper, and then select

File > Print > Properties > Orientation > Landscape

I could then select File > Print > Options > Brochure, and it would print each full-size page on half of the paper.

It would correctly number the pages, and print them like this:

8 1
2 7
6 3
4 5

So, when these pages were duplexed, they would stack perfectly for a printed booklet.

This function has DISAPPEARED.

The "File > Print > Properties" NO LONGER has an orientation selection.

That means that it is NO LONGER POSSIBLE to print booklets/brochures.

I'm bumping this thread just to remind someone that this function should be fixed. As soon as I can figure out how to submit an official bug report, I shall do so.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PastorEd,

I know you have been using OOo for a while and I can tell you that Print > Properties > Orientation is available in Windows under version 2. I have not seen Spadmin mentioned in this thread. Is it posible that all the Linux users in this thread have failed to use it on this new version. I have not set up a Linux version for a long time and I am assuming the spadmin printer utility is still available and used, or usable, for version 2.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:27 am    Post subject: Thank you for the tip! Reply with quote

JohnV wrote:
I have not seen Spadmin mentioned in this thread. Is it posible that all the Linux users in this thread have failed to use it on this new version. I have not set up a Linux version for a long time and I am assuming the spadmin printer utility is still available and used, or usable, for version 2.
I think that's a good line to investigate.

However, I rolled back my install to 1.9.104, and everything works the way I expect it to work. It's not as "polished", so that's kind of annoying, but I'm not going to install 2.0 until some other Linux user can confirm that Print > Options > Orientation works again through the use of the Spadmin tool.

Thanks... hoping someone gets this fixed... by the way, Print > Options > Orientation IS listed in the latest documenation. It's just not in the software that I can see (as a Linux user).
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