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OpenOffice.org should not be sold on Ebay!
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Should OpenOffice.org be sold on Ebay for personal gain?
OpenOffice.org belongs to everyone free of charge!
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I think it's ok to sell OpenOffice.org on Ebay.
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I'n not sure what is acceptable???
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 12:41 pm    Post subject: OpenOffice.org should not be sold on Ebay! Reply with quote

According to Ebay, OpenOffice should not be sold if it is just a "pirated" or "copy" of the original software. Does OpenOffice.org send out an "official" CD set with documentation? If so, that should only be allowed. IMHO of course. Smile

Oh, btw, I'm new here... hey everyone!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can not vote on this poll since both 1 and 2 apply.

So long as they follow the LGPL, they can do what they want and that includes selling it on ebay. There is no such thing as a "pirate" copy of OOo.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not everyone has a broadband connection, and downloading a 77+MB file over a dial-up Internet connection would take several hours. Consequently, it would be easier for them to buy a CD with the program than it will be for them to download it.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 5:13 am    Post subject: Why not Reply with quote

Hi,

I think this isn't the badest idea. As corfy mentioned not every user
has a broadband internet connection and so it would take hours
to download the whole package Sad. Additional, if OO decided to go
this way they could earn some money which could be invest into
further development. I think if they add some goodies like tutorials,
online books, macros, .. to the CD some persons would buy the
CD. Ok, there a lot of pc magazines which add OO to their CD's,
but saw no one who add also tutorials, ....

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generally when someone sells a CD there are add ons included. Like Firefox and Thunderbird or something like Ubantu. What is paid for is the CD itself, postage and handling, the time and expertise it took the supplier to put it all together and least some support should be included.

For a good example see

http://www.8daysaweek.co.uk/forums

You too can make money selling free software.

The worst problem is that too many neophytes are not aware that the program is available for free. Spread the word.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I put together a CD full of free software for Windows and gave that out as Christmas presents at the office. (I stuck with software that was free as in "free beer", which opened the door for utilities like Ad-Aware). I included OpenOffice.org 2 in on that CD, along with 29 other programs.

I originally had the idea for the CD as a present to my sister-in-law last year for Christmas, since she had a dial-up modem. I have added several programs since then... most open-source, but not all.

But I know most people at the office have dial-up modems at home, and several others aren't familiar enough with where to look to find reliable software, so I thought I would help them out.

I didn't charge anyone for the CD, but then, you don't usually charge people for Christmas presents. Not sure how many people will take advantage of the software, but I gave out 44 copies of the CD last week (it takes forever to burn 44 copies of a CD using a single 12x CD burner, BTW... and about half of them were made up on Tuesday with OOo2.0, and half of them made up on Wednesday with OOo 2.0.1).
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While selling free software is a good way to spread it, it does feel like some unscrupulous people are over charging for just a CD with one program on. They are not to be confused with the major distributors who add value by providing community resources and selling at a fair price. They contribute to the OOo community.

I think the way to fix this would be for the (L)GPL to insist that commercial distributors inform customers that the software is available for free at [URL] in the advertisement. The uninformed can then check and assess for themselves if they think it's worth buying or downloading.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been reading a computer magazine for years.
Not long after OOo 2.0 was released it was there, free to use, on the mags cover disc.

I personally think that if anyone is foolish enough to buy free and freely available software, then they are welcome to pay for it.
But, in principal, free software shouldn't be sold, on e-bay or anywhere else.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simon Trucker wrote:
But, in principal, free software shouldn't be sold, on e-bay or anywhere else.

If the license allows it, whats to stop them?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

9point9 wrote:
If the license allows it, whats to stop them?


Absolutely nothing. Shocked Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simon Trucker wrote:
I personally think that if anyone is foolish enough to buy free and freely available software, then they are welcome to pay for it.
But, in principal, free software shouldn't be sold, on e-bay or anywhere else.


Isn't the point however that you aren't actually selling the software you are selling a CD. In fact you can not sell OpenOffice, to sell it implies some transfer of ownership, and there is none to be transfered.

I think most people understand the difference, perhaps not all, but most. As long as the price is not exorbitant I don't see a problem with or without extras. Although it would nice if they included some Value Added.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Free Software Foundation (FSF) wrote the GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) under which OpenOffice.org is licensed. In fact, most free (open source) software programs use the FSF's licenses, and according to the FSF, selling free software is a very good thing.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been wondering...do you think the folks selling the CDs on eBay are donating anything back to OO.o. It would be nice..

SO, here is the offer...If you know someone that has a dialup and they want a CD...tell me..I will send them one...2.0.1 w/JRE, the SDK, HSQLDB Users Manual, The OO.o Users Guide...and as much other OO.o specific stuff as I can get on the disc...

I'll charge $8.00 and ship to anyplace in the US..AND I will kick $3.00 back to OO.o as a donation..now how is that for a sales pitch...

Offer void in the following states MD I don't want to have to deal with my sales tax license issues...

EDIT: just did a quick search on the Postal rates...make that $8.00 and that includes the shipping charge...

EDIT2: Windows or Linux... Very Happy

EDIT3:...If you want it cheaper...I could send it via "Fully Laden Hirundo rustica", but could not gurantee arrival time...(inside joke from other posting...kind of..)
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why all this fuss? I think, the fact, that eBay quotes OOo does not impede anyone from downloading free of charge.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some related questions: has anyone bought OOo? Why not ask them, why they did not use free download?
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